Toland family · mother of Ida

Mary J. Hartman

Mary J. Hartman is named as Ida’s mother in her 1890 marriage register. The middle initial stays: it is part of what the original record gives us.

Ida’s mother

The original Crawford County marriage register names Mary J. Hartman as the mother of Ida J. Toland.

Documented fact
A second record to compare

John Toland’s 1927 death certificate names Mary Hartman as his mother and reports a Pennsylvania birthplace for that parent. The 1880 household independently places Ida and John Jr. with John R. and Mary J. Toland. The later death-record identification is strongly supported by matching parent names.

Strongly supported
Dates and earlier ancestry

Precise birth and death dates are not yet established here. No earlier ancestors have been added.

Still researching

John Toland Jr. appears as Ida’s brother in the 1880 household. Documented census relationship Identification with the John who died in 1927 is strongly supported by matching parents; see the retained age discrepancy.

Supporting records

Detail of Ida’s entry: father John R. Toland; mother Mary J. Hartman. Read this detail with the full register.
Detail of Ida’s entry: father John R. Toland; mother Mary J. Hartman. Read this detail with the full register. View original image ↗
John Toland’s handwritten Ohio death certificate, April 28, 1927. Parents John R. Toland and Mary Hartman; burial in Ravenna on May 1.
John Toland’s handwritten Ohio death certificate, April 28, 1927. Parents John R. Toland and Mary Hartman; burial in Ravenna on May 1. View original image ↗

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A childhood household found

Ida’s family in 1880

The 1880 household documents siblings Marion E. (about 1872), Ida Jane (about 1874), Emma M. (about 1876), and John Jr. (about 1879). Documented census relationships Matching parent names strongly support identifying the younger John with the man whose 1927 death certificate is preserved here; the reported birth and age differences remain visible.

Marion E. · Ida Jane · Emma M. · John Jr.

1880 census, Cross Creek village, Washington County, Pennsylvania. John R. and Mary J. Toland appear with Marion E., Ida Jane, Emma M., and John Jr.; ages are census reports, not exact birth dates.
1880 census, Cross Creek village, Washington County, Pennsylvania. John R. and Mary J. Toland appear with Marion E., Ida Jane, Emma M., and John Jr.; ages are census reports, not exact birth dates. View original image ↗
1880 Toland household detail. Ida Jane, age six, is identified as a daughter; Marion E., Emma M., and John Jr. are also listed as children.
1880 Toland household detail. Ida Jane, age six, is identified as a daughter; Marion E., Emma M., and John Jr. are also listed as children. View original image ↗
Marion Toland’s Pennsylvania death certificate, February 6, 1908: father Riley Toland; mother Mary Hartman; informant Ida Chambers.
Marion Toland’s Pennsylvania death certificate, February 6, 1908: father Riley Toland; mother Mary Hartman; informant Ida Chambers. View original image ↗

Joseph “Joe” Toland: family connection under review. The supplied Kentucky certificate’s mother entry differs from the research summary; no established child link is drawn from it.

Research lead · not confirmed ancestry

A possible Hartman household

The 1870 census for West Bethlehem Township, Washington County, Pennsylvania lists Robert Hartman, 48; Elizabeth, 40; Susan, 23; Mary, 18; Rebecca, 14; Joseph, 10; and Ida, 6. Mary’s reported age, Pennsylvania birthplace, and location fit the woman we are researching. They do not yet prove she was Ida Jane’s mother.

Working theory · identity unconfirmed

Robert and Elizabeth are not placed as Mary J. Hartman’s parents in the established tree. The 1870 census does not explicitly label these people’s relationships.

1870 West Bethlehem Township, Washington County, Pennsylvania census: candidate Hartman household.
1870 West Bethlehem Township, Washington County, Pennsylvania census: candidate Hartman household. View original image ↗
Detail of the candidate 1870 Hartman household; the identity of Mary, age 18, remains unconfirmed.
Detail of the candidate 1870 Hartman household; the identity of Mary, age 18, remains unconfirmed. View original image ↗

Records that may help reconstruct this family

Joseph Robert Hartman’s Pennsylvania death certificate records birth February 3, 1860, parents Robert Hartman and Eliz. Couts, wife Etta Eliz. Chambers, and widowed status. Henry Hartman of Ravenna was informant. The Chambers surname alone does not establish a connection to our Chambers family.

Date discrepancy: the supplied summary gives October 9, 1923; the certificate appears to give October 18, 1923, also repeated in its medical entries. This needs reconciliation rather than silent correction.

Joseph Robert Hartman’s 1923 Pennsylvania death certificate. Preserve Couts as written and inspect the October death-date conflict.
Joseph Robert Hartman’s 1923 Pennsylvania death certificate. Preserve Couts as written and inspect the October death-date conflict. View original image ↗

Sarah Katherine Hartman Price’s certificate records death November 27, 1941, age 92, and parents Robert Hartman and Elizabeth Couts. Her approximate birth year is 1849. These certificates support a possible sibling group; they do not prove that the Mary in 1870 became Ida’s mother. Couts is retained as transcribed; spelling variants remain search possibilities.

Sarah Katherine Price’s Pennsylvania death certificate, 1941, names Robert Hartman and Elizabeth Couts.
Sarah Katherine Price’s Pennsylvania death certificate, 1941, names Robert Hartman and Elizabeth Couts. View original image ↗
Chambers–Hartman research

One family, two possible connections

Working hypothesis—not established: the 1870 West Bethlehem Township household includes Mary Hartman, 18, and Joseph, 10, with Robert and Elizabeth Hartman. Joseph Robert’s death certificate names Robert Hartman and Eliz. Couts. Ida Jane Toland’s marriage register names her mother Mary J. Hartman. If that Mary is the census Mary, Joseph Mart married Mary’s daughter Ida while his proposed sister Elizabeth Etta married Mary’s brother Joseph Robert. Mary’s identity and Elizabeth Etta’s parentage still require independent corroboration. No confirmed double-family link is drawn in the tree.

Well-supported research hypothesis · not confirmed

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