Mary J. Hartman
Mary J. Hartman is named as Ida’s mother in her 1890 marriage register. The middle initial stays: it is part of what the original record gives us.
The original Crawford County marriage register names Mary J. Hartman as the mother of Ida J. Toland.
Documented factJohn Toland’s 1927 death certificate names Mary Hartman as his mother and reports a Pennsylvania birthplace for that parent. The 1880 household independently places Ida and John Jr. with John R. and Mary J. Toland. The later death-record identification is strongly supported by matching parent names.
Strongly supportedPrecise birth and death dates are not yet established here. No earlier ancestors have been added.
Still researchingJohn Toland Jr. appears as Ida’s brother in the 1880 household. Documented census relationship Identification with the John who died in 1927 is strongly supported by matching parents; see the retained age discrepancy.
Supporting records


Ida’s family in 1880
The 1880 household documents siblings Marion E. (about 1872), Ida Jane (about 1874), Emma M. (about 1876), and John Jr. (about 1879). Documented census relationships Matching parent names strongly support identifying the younger John with the man whose 1927 death certificate is preserved here; the reported birth and age differences remain visible.
Marion E. · Ida Jane · Emma M. · John Jr.



Joseph “Joe” Toland: family connection under review. The supplied Kentucky certificate’s mother entry differs from the research summary; no established child link is drawn from it.
A possible Hartman household
The 1870 census for West Bethlehem Township, Washington County, Pennsylvania lists Robert Hartman, 48; Elizabeth, 40; Susan, 23; Mary, 18; Rebecca, 14; Joseph, 10; and Ida, 6. Mary’s reported age, Pennsylvania birthplace, and location fit the woman we are researching. They do not yet prove she was Ida Jane’s mother.
Working theory · identity unconfirmedRobert and Elizabeth are not placed as Mary J. Hartman’s parents in the established tree. The 1870 census does not explicitly label these people’s relationships.


Records that may help reconstruct this family
Joseph Robert Hartman’s Pennsylvania death certificate records birth February 3, 1860, parents Robert Hartman and Eliz. Couts, wife Etta Eliz. Chambers, and widowed status. Henry Hartman of Ravenna was informant. The Chambers surname alone does not establish a connection to our Chambers family.
Date discrepancy: the supplied summary gives October 9, 1923; the certificate appears to give October 18, 1923, also repeated in its medical entries. This needs reconciliation rather than silent correction.

Sarah Katherine Hartman Price’s certificate records death November 27, 1941, age 92, and parents Robert Hartman and Elizabeth Couts. Her approximate birth year is 1849. These certificates support a possible sibling group; they do not prove that the Mary in 1870 became Ida’s mother. Couts is retained as transcribed; spelling variants remain search possibilities.

One family, two possible connections
Working hypothesis—not established: the 1870 West Bethlehem Township household includes Mary Hartman, 18, and Joseph, 10, with Robert and Elizabeth Hartman. Joseph Robert’s death certificate names Robert Hartman and Eliz. Couts. Ida Jane Toland’s marriage register names her mother Mary J. Hartman. If that Mary is the census Mary, Joseph Mart married Mary’s daughter Ida while his proposed sister Elizabeth Etta married Mary’s brother Joseph Robert. Mary’s identity and Elizabeth Etta’s parentage still require independent corroboration. No confirmed double-family link is drawn in the tree.
Well-supported research hypothesis · not confirmedThe Family Pretzel
What started as a search for Ida Jane Toland’s parents led to an unexpected discovery. Joseph Mart Chambers’s sister, Elizabeth Etta, appears to have married Joseph Robert Hartman—a man whose family may also connect to Ida Jane’s mother, Mary Hartman.
If the remaining relationships are confirmed, two branches of the family tree connect in a way we never expected.
Apparently, our family tree wasn’t satisfied with having branches. It wanted to be a pretzel.
Research continues, and every connection will be documented before being treated as established fact.
Meet Elizabeth Etta Chambers Hartman · Meet Joseph Robert Hartman