Elizabeth Etta Chambers Hartman
Etta’s married name has led us into another corner of the family. Original records identify Joseph Robert Hartman’s wife as Etta Chambers; a shared gravestone calls her Etta E., his wife. The Sinclair obituary excerpt now adds support for her place beside Joseph Mart among Matilda’s children; the source trail is preserved below.
Joseph Robert Hartman’s death certificate names his deceased wife Etta Eliz. Chambers. Their son’s 1937 death certificate independently names parents Joseph Hartman and Etta Chambers. Identification with Elizabeth Etta is strongly supported by these records and the memorial.
Original-record statements · strongly supported identificationThe memorial records Maple Grove Cemetery, Ravenna, Ohio, Section G, Lot 369. The photographed stone pairs Joseph R. Hartman with Etta E., his wife.
Gravestone inscription and memorial locationElizabeth Etta Chambers Hartman is the sister of Joseph Mart, not his and Ida Jane Toland’s daughter Etta Marie Chambers. Etta Marie’s 1909 birth certificate belongs to that younger generation.
Identity distinctionThe records behind the connection
The Washington County, Pennsylvania application names father Joseph Robert Hartman; mother Etta Hartman; and mother’s maiden name Etta Chambers. It records Ida’s birthplace as Bloomfield, Indiana, and residence as Ravenna, Ohio.
Documented application entriesThis independently records Etta’s maiden surname. Ida Hartman is distinct from Ida Jane Toland Chambers. Elizabeth Etta’s proposed parentage remains a separate memorial-attributed identification.
The son’s 1937 death certificate
The certificate records birth January 27, 1905, and death in January 1937 in Cleveland, Ohio. It names Joseph Hartman and Etta Chambers as parents. It records a gunshot injury, classifies the death as homicide, and attributes the shooting to his estranged wife. No motive or circumstances beyond the certificate are inferred.
The original death certificates document the names they report. The grave photograph documents its inscription. Find a Grave’s contributed parent links are a separate source claim; matching Etta Chambers to Elizabeth Etta, daughter of Silas and Matilda, remains a supported identification needing direct corroboration.
One family, two possible connections
Working hypothesis—not established: the 1870 West Bethlehem Township household includes Mary Hartman, 18, and Joseph, 10, with Robert and Elizabeth Hartman. Joseph Robert’s death certificate names Robert Hartman and Eliz. Couts. Ida Jane Toland’s marriage register names her mother Mary J. Hartman. If that Mary is the census Mary, Joseph Mart married Mary’s daughter Ida while his proposed sister Elizabeth Etta married Mary’s brother Joseph Robert. Mary’s identity and Elizabeth Etta’s parentage still require independent corroboration. No confirmed double-family link is drawn in the tree.
Well-supported research hypothesis · not confirmedMeet Elizabeth Etta Chambers Hartman · Meet Joseph Robert Hartman
The evidence behind Etta’s family card
Find a Grave memorial 5560536 identifies Elizabeth Etta as the daughter of Silas Chambers and Ellen Loughlin, corresponding to Silas Luster Chambers and Matilda Ellen Laughlin in Sandy’s reconstruction. Related family records support the identification: Joseph Robert Hartman’s death certificate names Etta Eliz. Chambers as his wife, and their children’s records independently preserve Etta’s maiden surname as Chambers.
The new Sinclair obituary excerpt names Mrs. Joe Hartman and Joseph Chambers among Matilda’s surviving children. The full original obituary is still needed, and a record explicitly naming both of Etta’s parents remains a research goal. The parent-child relationship is currently a memorial-attributed identification supported by related records, not a separately proved original-record parent link.
Find a Grave memorial 5560536 · Original death certificates and the 1918 marriage-license application are preserved above.
Mrs. Wayman Sinclair’s surviving children
An obituary excerpt supplied in Sandy’s research names Mrs. Joe Hartman of Washington, Pennsylvania and Joseph Chambers of Johnstown, Pennsylvania among Mrs. Wayman Sinclair’s surviving children. This provides valuable additional support for Elizabeth Etta Chambers Hartman and Joseph Mart Chambers as Matilda’s children.
Source status: obituary excerpt reported by Sandy; full original clipping, newspaper title, publication date and page still needed for inspection. “Mrs. Joe Hartman” is the wording of the excerpt; identifying her as Elizabeth Etta is supported by the related Hartman records. This is additional evidence beyond Find a Grave contributor statements, not a claim that the original clipping has been inspected here.
Their son: following the original name
The 1937 certificate names Joseph Hartman and Etta Chambers as parents. Meet their son → His certificate appears to name John Riley; Sandy’s research identification Joseph Albert remains flagged for reconciliation. The separate case story is linked from his profile.